Does Bill Cosby use tough love or is he just a bully? Dr. Boyce Watkins and Joseph C. Phillips (formerly of the Cosby Show) debate the merits of Bill Cosby's critiques of the black community.
Does Bill Cosby use tough love or is he just a bully? Dr. Boyce Watkins and Joseph C. Phillips (formerly of the Cosby Show) debate the merits of Bill Cosby's critiques of the black community.
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By: Tired of Poor ME attitude on 5/22/2009 8:56AM
Cosby was right, just not nice to have a mirror in your face in public.
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By: BETTYEJ on 5/22/2009 7:06PM
Let's get real! Whatever came out of Bill Cosby's mouth is what our race have put out there for the world to see way before he said a word! All of these educated and so called rich and powerful blacks{in their minds} need to sat down and shut up. Most of them when they made their money, and many of them, off of their own race, they packed their bags and high it tail right on out of the hood and have not looked back.
The white own news media don't even give us the time of day unless it's some black star/sport figure or a black they feel is news worthy.
We give them material to try and destroy us by our stupid behavior. The things we need to get bent out of shape about is lost on all the other non sense we focus on.
Our race use to be so strong and have been through hell and back, but we survive. The Church use to be about God and family, now some of them you got to have a credit card to get in
We fought hard for our freedom, and use to not be allowed to read or write, now that we got our freedom, our children don't want to pick up a book or write. They only want to Rap or drop it like it's hot or be a sport star. We have no black hero's and to many parents are too busy keeping up with having the last est designer gear made by the very people that don't give a fat rat about you, just your money.
We let our children watch Miley/Britney/Lindsay and a lot of the other Disney crap. Tyler Perry is very gifted, but some of his shows on TV is degrading to blacks. Everybody Love Chris is not funny, some of the same hateful things are going on in our schools today.
We make sports figures hero's and some of them quickly forgot where they came from by charging outrageous prices for their products. We run out and buy rap music from men and women that have no respect for you or your children. It's all about THEM!
People, we need to wake up. We got the best President in the work, who has a very beautiful family He is the President for all of us. Wherever you live, you got to stop wasting time worrying about the losers, Rush/Bill/Hannity and start helping in your own community to make them all that they can be.
" WHEN YOU STAND FOR NOTHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING"!
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By: JustMe on 5/22/2009 10:28PM
Who is working towards a solution? Stating the obvious isn't necessary. Folks can debate the validity of these statements, how and where the statements should be made, and so on forever. What is needed is a solution. Instead of spending your time, money and influence running the issue into the ground you should be mentoring, motivating, giving, encouraging, HELPING!!!! My respect and support is given to those that are out here actually making a difference in the lives of the very people these men are discussing.
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By: triciagirl on 5/23/2009 7:07AM
Cosby was wrong, and he was stupid. He is an elitist old man who thinks that any black person who does not have the love of white people the way he does must be lazy or dumb. Cosby, a man who made his money tap dancing for white folks, needs to go somewhere and shut up.
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By: Sheryl on 5/23/2009 5:57AM
As my pastor used to say, if you can't say amen, say OUCH!
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By: dodi page on 5/23/2009 4:40PM
OUCH! is right. Why can't he open some malls, or strip malls for people who need work? That would put his talk where it should be. It seems to me the blacks who atleast got a mule from the whites could help the others they left behind. (How about some Grocery stores for employment. Only one Basketball player has tried to help the poor, Atleast he bought the mall in Los Angeles, at La Cienega and La Tijera, that produced some jobs for the poor.. Everyone else takes their money and moves next door to Ms. Ann., and travel,and do a lot of talking, or give chanches,money, to the white folks. What a disgrace to our own people. They show the whitte man if you don't care, why shpuld we.
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By: Pay Attention on 5/23/2009 11:12AM
I understand Dr. Boyce's point and this has been an heated argument among black intellegencia. However, the issue with talking about the "black problem" often yields no change. I think talking about the problem without discussing the root and causes, hinders the solution. You have to discuss the history as well as societal ills that hinder some portions of poor communities not just black communities. However, it always and continues to be magnified when it comes to black people.
We see all of these panels, books, programs, summits, and think tanks assemble only to no avail. How many books does Dyson have to write and how many State of the Black Union's does Tavis have to have before there is real change? The problem is that the black elite make it and don’t give back enough. We look to attend all of these “networking” and “business” conferences, only to see the same motivational speakers year after year. But, we don’t network with those who need it the most, the people in the hood! The booty shaking, pop locking youth hanging on the corner with a 40 – shorty, that’s where the work has to begin, with a hand out not an interview on CNN, Meet the Press, or talk radio. I applaud Dr. Cosby because he talks the talk and walks the walk he has give millions to education, produced a positive show depicting black people amidst opposition, and produced a cartoon that focused on creating values for is people, etc…. Until his critiques match that, they should shut up!
Cosby may have mentioned issues facing black America to people who don't know about these issues and this can provoke a positive dialogue among intelligent people. Forget the dumb, radical, far right idiots like Limbaugh and Hannity. I'm talking about the intelligent parts of our society who are willing to work together. So I think instead of criticizing Cosby for stating the obvious, I think we should look at the entire picture and the problem and see how this could possibly be a good thing.
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By: angeandre4 on 5/23/2009 1:29PM
The truth will always hurt. As blacks we tend to think about what is owed to us instead of what we owe ourselves. As a culture we only have our skin color remaining. When you look at other cultures in the US they keep certain things with them. When we became free we enslaved ourselves with the mentality that is in our society today. I never considered myself "African America" I am not. Africans do not consider us a part of them either since we are free and do not truly understand what it means to be an African.
People may not like how or what Bill Cosby says but to sugarcoat it is how we wound up where we are.
If we cannot love to live with ourselves how do we expect for others to learn to live with us.
Things must and need to change but until we get back into caring about ourselves and each other and get away from the prison/slave mentality it will never happen.
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By: pay attention on 5/23/2009 1:35PM
I understand Dr. Boyce's point and this has been an heated argument among black intellegencia. However, the issue with talking about the "black problem" often yields no change. I think talking about the problem without discussing the root and causes, hinders the solution. You have to discuss the history as well as societal ills that hinder some portions of poor communities not just black communities. However, it always and continues to be magnified when it comes to black people.
We see all of these panels, books, programs, summits, and think tanks assemble only to no avail. How many books does Dyson have to write and how many State of the Black Union's does Tavis have to have before there is real change? The problem is that the black elite make it and don’t give back enough. We look to attend all of these “networking” and “business” conferences, only to see the same motivational speakers year after year. But, we don’t network with those who need it the most, the people in the hood! The booty shaking, pop locking youth hanging on the corner with a 40 – shorty, that’s where the work has to begin, with a hand out not an interview on CNN, Meet the Press, or talk radio. I applaud Dr. Cosby because he talks the talk and walks the walk he has give millions to education, produced a positive show depicting black people amidst opposition, and produced a cartoon that focused on creating values for is people, etc…. Until his critiques match that, they should shut up!
Cosby may have mentioned issues facing black America to people who don't know about these issues and this can provoke a positive dialogue among intelligent people. Forget the dumb, radical, far right idiots like Limbaugh and Hannity. I'm talking about the intelligent parts of our society who are willing to work together. So I think instead of criticizing Cosby for stating the obvious, I think we should look at the entire picture and the problem and see how this could possibly be a good thing.
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By: dodi page on 5/23/2009 4:02PM
Very well stated, could'nt do better myself. Eith respect to your staement, dodi.
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